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Offline EXXekiel

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GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« on: February 28, 2010, 03:18:45 AM »
After have waited for more than 30 mins for DVE clan to get their pro players,, (cause they appeared with some noob team that was going to get rxpxd) GOD explain the problem to some admins that made a strange decision of bind us to play against them,, i was very very pissed with their team ,, so i obviously wasnt going to play after that long wait, i read the RULES posted by Penny in the forum about this CCC and just dont get it.. I would like to know what r rules for???

GL all on this league and hope u can still get some fun,, i personally dont get it maybe on some FFA some islands r pretty funny  ;D..


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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2010, 03:38:46 AM »
I'm sure there is more to this than your post, which is why we don't take issues to the forums. But I'll leave this here so the TD can explain what really happened.

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2010, 03:41:25 AM »
Just to explain the ruling, which I made

A) neither team was ready to start the event on time because neither team had the map installed.

B) after a delay for installing the map, now there was a problem involving both teams getting five three members in the staging room at the same time to launch.  Fingers are pointed back and forth on this one, and since I wasn't there I don't know for sure exactly what happened. Apparently this went on for awhile without a TD or Admin being contacted. The proper procedure is to contact a TD or Admin immediately when you discover a problem, not to let it fester. 

C)  I was the Event TD, but was playing in another match. Two admins got involved, Mookie and OT4E and both tried to get them to start playing, but GOD wanted a disqualification which no one gave them, and refused to play.

D) About 2 hours after they should have played, my game ended and I became involved.  After spending at least another 15 minutes listening to both team captains, my ruling was no disqualification - you have 15 minutes to get into a room and start the game.

E) Exxekiel told me that GOD would not join the game and asked me to disqualify GOD, which is what eventually happened, so I don't quite understand this complaint.  GOD was offered the option of playing DVE for the win.  

F) My strong preference in these kind of disputes is to settle the disagreement in the game, not in the lobby.

G) GOD refused to join the staging room - I tried to calm them down but they felt they were entitled to a disqualification of DVE. When I told them I wouldn't do that, they opted not to play.  

While GOD claims that rules were broken, this isn't the case.  There was a dispute, three different admins listened to them, and every one of us said to play the game.  No rules were broken. And in my opinion every TD or Admin involved followed the correct procedure.

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« Last Edit: February 28, 2010, 04:05:21 PM by SirPartyMan »

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2010, 04:21:24 AM »
A) Only 5 mins or less to install map which Imho gave us link and indicattions
B)Was renny 3 players needed , not 5..
C) We were ready to play we didnt want a dq,, we created 2 diff games ,, i hosted twice 1st game they got AP3 and Scorpio ,, scorpio left with say no word after 10 mins and AP3 said gg MLL is not playing.. AP3 wanted to make us give him time so they got better players that were playing 5v5 anc ss..
After that Warlord and others finished i hosted again, they got 3 then 1 left , then 1 else joined ok 20 mins hurry up we said,, we were picking civs and all when there was lke 30 mins up they werent even picking we were ready and xed,, so i just left im not gonna wait a team forever..

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 04:23:43 AM »
The ruling from TD is completely wrong sry SPM but its true ur cool but thats a very wrong ruling.. WHY SHOULD I WAIT MORE THAN 30 MINS?? And yes i said im not going to play 1h later with these fuxxixng noobs, so dq me if u want u know what rules are..

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 04:32:09 AM »
The ruling from TD is completely wrong sry SPM but its true ur cool but thats a very wrong ruling.. WHY SHOULD I WAIT MORE THAN 30 MINS?? And yes i said im not going to play 1h later with these fuxxixng noobs, so dq me if u want u know what rules are..

As SPM stated the game was delayed by both teams for not having the map installed.  After that it comes a "he said she said" remember the TD is not in the staging room and is not psychic.  SPM talked with both clan captains over this.  And in the end 30min is not very long to wait and certainly no reason to refuse to play.

This was not a clear case of one team being completely ready and one team being late.  And I agree with SPM wanting the game to start, it is much preferable to decide the results of an event in a game and not by a DQ by an Admin/TD.

So exactly why did you not want to start a game again?  This was just 30min, heck the RUS/PPP Ren game was hours late getting started and they still wanted to play rather than force a decision.

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 08:08:02 AM »
looks like some1 need to grow up.
If I dont get the big puppy I dont play with u mimimimimi
dude its a friging game u shold be happy that some1 is playing with u but u rather want "win" by dq some1
LOL

maybe admins ll take care at some point of such idiots and clean ladder so that the ones who just want play for the love of the game can do it
« Last Edit: February 28, 2010, 08:10:02 AM by tommynt »
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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 11:03:27 AM »
Exxe this is the way things are and should be in ccc. People show sportsmanship and wait. If we were to ask for disqualification every time a team was late there would be no games played  ;)

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 11:24:19 AM »
Also, note admin right away. Admin makes ruling, and after that both teams have certain amount of time to get started. You notified admin only after problems, then refused to play. You are clearly the one at fault then. Was your mistake, exxe.

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 12:02:31 PM »
still, he's right about the 10 minutes. They waited longer in the first place and if they ask for a DQ, that's their right. It's in the rules, they waited longer than that. If they prefer the DQ over playing, it's their own business and the TD should rule according to that.

Exxe asked me yesterday what to do since noone else was around and I happened to be on DVE's ts at the same time. I told him that it would be nice if they would just start the game instead of wasting more time since 6 players were ready after some 20 minutes, but I also told him that he's right about the 10 minutes rule and if that's what he wants, he has to suck up the flames on the forums...

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 12:43:38 PM »
So they had to wait a few minutes.  That sucks.  I said I was sorry multiple times. 
Then after they decided not to play us they completely flipped out.  Calling myself and the admins four letter words.  They called my mother names.  This is not called for.  My son was in the room with me, and he knows spanish as well as I do.  Dont talk about my mother.  Dont start cussin me and the admins.  Man up and grow up.  If I knew how to post screenies on these forums I would do so and show everyone how much of a child you were duing this whole experience..
How many times have we all had to wait a few minutes for some stupid reason or another.  Have a little patience man.

Here are the screenies.
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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2010, 01:55:58 PM »
Ape, by posting a screen shot of Mango swearing at you doesn't make your case any more legitimate.  The post was about how rules are applied in the CCC and you've attempted to deviate from this by telling the teacher about an unrelated issue.  The lobby is not regulated, so if you want to take the risk of letting your son read what is said that's your own fault.  There are plenty of morons in the lobby (ventharrassment comes to mind) that say thing a million times worst then what Mango said; about peoples mothers / Race / or anything else that get's a reaction.

EDIT:: LOL it's got a comment in that very screen shot of ventharassment saying "this is what they teach ni**ger kids in the US" - But your OK with your kid reading that ... right?

I'm afraid you've pulled a Levi here Ape, shame on you!
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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2010, 02:02:57 PM »
I disagree, as a ladder member, a decent behaviour is required, especially with other ladders members.
This specific point maybe out of the global point, but for my part, I do hope such behaviour will be strongly punished.
As a general rule I think the right behaviour is from quited the game when a player speak like this, that is a non-acceptable behaviour.

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 02:13:35 PM »
I agree he shouldn't have said it, but the point is how does it help the current topic?  The issue is, should DVE be DQ-ed or not, whether admin have a word with Mango about his language is unrelated.

As I said above, the stuff about this son looking over this shoulder is totally moot, it's sole purpose was to win ladder sympathy.

It's like those TV talent shows, when people start talking about their disability.

This was covered in the introduction lesson at the school of Levi, it's the oldest trick in the Levi hand book.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2010, 02:16:48 PM by Tony[UYP] »

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Re: GOD DQ from renny LOL!!!
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 02:51:55 PM »
I agree he shouldn't have said it, but the point is how does it help the current topic?  The issue is, should DVE be DQ-ed or not, whether admin have a word with Mango about his language is unrelated.

As I said above, the stuff about this son looking over this shoulder is totally moot, it's sole purpose was to win ladder sympathy.

It's like those TV talent shows, when people start talking about their disability.

This was covered in the introduction lesson at the school of Levi, it's the oldest trick in the Levi hand book.

Well correct ruling would be to suspend the players who verbally abused other ladder players. First of all.

Then to the point of DVE or GOD being DQ, the ruling was perfectly correct. It is from the moment admin is contacted, admins can't make rulings guessing what happened before that. But once they note the situation and see whats happening they make a decision, god didn't abide by this and play... which is imo really stupid since DVE had the players, why would you not want to play??

Either way, good ruling by admins, now suspend the offenders too.

 

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