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Offline weaksauce

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New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« on: November 05, 2009, 02:31:43 AM »
I request a formal rule be added as follows:

- If a player drops 3x in a single game.  That player's team has the option to find a replacement substitute or continue with that player.  If that team continues w/ the same "dropping" player and he drops a 4th time, the opposing team has the option of FORCING a scrap.

For the sake of clarity.  A drop shall be counted as playing 1 turn and exiting the game.  (not dc'ing on turn 0, and not connect/disconnect/connect/disconnect all in the same turn)


For the 3rd time now, I've been held hostage in a game (twice by the same person) who is constantly dropping.  Six drops in a single game and we are on track to finish in 5 hours.  Nine drops in another game previously and we are on track to finish in 6 hours.

And what happens?  Inevitably someone has great land and with only 20 turns completed, no cities razed or anything going on, he believes he is "guaranteed" a win.  So we cannot scrap, becuz 1 guy refuses.

constant dropping + 1 player who refuses to scrap cuz he loves his land/start and thinks it is a sure win = complete waste of everyone's time


please comment on whether or not you think this rule should be formally adopted.

thanks

-weak
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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 07:01:26 AM »
Traditionally, I have just told the person if he drops again, he will be subbed and to not bother rejoining. Of course this is depends on the others in the game as well, you sort of need a majority.

You also have to make sure everyone else in the same teamer knows you don't have a vendetta against the guy, (Sin) lol.

Should the rule be adopted? No, if you need a rule like this to be adopted, its because your having a problem finding a majority. Some players are just cooler then others and they should have special privalages.
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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 07:33:06 AM »
The rule already exists. Its up to the host of the game to make the call after 2 drops, or a total of 10 mins for 1 player, to decide whether or not to replace the player.
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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 08:59:54 AM »
whats also a problem/confusing is this wait 3x 10 min for 1 player - rofl thats half an hour in total - now go figure if 2 players d drop 3x10 min thats 1 hour just waiting for em ...

u need something like a max for each player/team - like 1 player can drop up to 3 times but he have 10 (or 15) max minutes for these 3 drops - 3 min more then enough for a simple rejoin

another problem seems to be a apropriate sub for teamers - it allways lead to discusions - pls make sure
a) whos deciding which sub is ok (maybe the 2 higest rated players of each team)
b) maybe just change sub to ANY LADDER PLAYER with SOME reputation - lobby is empty nowadays - not much choise usually
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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 09:51:28 AM »
Read the rules. If you cannot understand them come to me for explanations.

1. You can scrap if ALL BUT ONE player agree on scrap. In other words it takes TWO to force the game to continue.

2. A player is allowed to drop 10 minutes in TOTAL!

3. A player is allowed only ONE drop per game! From his 2nd drop it's up to the host of that game to continue to allow him to play or ask for a substitute!

Problem is already solvable within the current set of rules. It's not the lack of rules or the ill intentioned players, but your own ignorance that made you waste that time.

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2009, 01:06:40 PM »
How about playing something other thans SS.  Play with buddies, use teamspeak, and try a different era.  In my experience when someone drops another player on teamspeak usually listening in to all the fun we been havin is eager to come sub in.

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 03:33:01 PM »
the rule is totally inadequate.  if the host is the 1 or 2 people who refuse to scrap cuz their teammate keeps dropping and "it's my friend, we are not getting a sub", they aren't going to ask for a sub or a scrap.

there needs to be an option for the opposing team that is forced to play through someone who is dropping constantly

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2009, 03:47:24 PM »
the rule is totally inadequate.  if the host is the 1 or 2 people who refuse to scrap cuz their teammate keeps dropping and "it's my friend, we are not getting a sub", they aren't going to ask for a sub or a scrap.

there needs to be an option for the opposing team that is forced to play through someone who is dropping constantly


If the player has dropped for more than 10 total minutes and has several drops already you can force substitution. If they refuse to substitute just leave the game and decline the report, if there will ever be one.

Just make sure to get solid screenshots proof to back-up your story. I hear the boxing time for scrap forcers is 30 days.

As long as you do it right don't worry about other ppl accusing you of forcing scrap or other stuff like that. Been there, done that. As long as you know the rules and they don't it really doesn't matter. But I have to warn you, there might be some problems with "creative" admins who misinterpret the rules to favour their friends. Power corrupts even the minds of the just and corruption is the most spread disease in the history of mankind.

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2009, 03:49:26 PM »
weak, If u have something to say about me dropping in that 2 games say it to my face dude. I told you that my ISP decided to shut down my net for 6 hours 1st (1st game) and then when it got back on line decided to switch it on and of every 15 min... do you think I dropped on purpose? Dude I wanted badly to go back to both games as they were easy to win and certainly nothing was decided.

Have you seen me dropping like that before? Ill answer, I haven't seen myself either.

On top of that there are situations when GS is giving ppl "server disconnect" message and that happens like 2-3 times in a row despite the connection being stable and good. It happened to me it happened to other players. That is something u cannot control really its GS. Thats why u have 10 min to rejoin as that gives you time to establish if your connection is fucked or its GS playing on games on you.

If you cannt understand that then sorry for you. But at least I got waved payment for 2 months from my ISP.

Funny shit afterall :D

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2009, 03:58:14 PM »
If the player has dropped for more than 10 total minutes and has several drops already you can force substitution. If they refuse to substitute just leave the game and decline the report, if there will ever be one.

Just make sure to get solid screenshots proof to back-up your story. I hear the boxing time for scrap forcers is 30 days.


i just think this rule lacks common sense.  if a guy drops 4, 5, 6x, at some point the 10 min rule becomes less useful than the basic reality that a person does not have a stable connection and has joined/left the game half a dozen times.  he's constantly coming and going.

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2009, 04:09:17 PM »
weak, If u have something to say about me dropping in that 2 games say it to my face dude. I told you that my ISP decided to shut down my net for 6 hours 1st (1st game) and then when it got back on line decided to switch it on and of every 15 min... do you think I dropped on purpose? Dude I wanted badly to go back to both games as they were easy to win and certainly nothing was decided.

Have you seen me dropping like that before? Ill answer, I haven't seen myself either.

On top of that there are situations when GS is giving ppl "server disconnect" message and that happens like 2-3 times in a row despite the connection being stable and good. It happened to me it happened to other players. That is something u cannot control really its GS. Thats why u have 10 min to rejoin as that gives you time to establish if your connection is friged or its GS playing on games on you.

If you cannt understand that then sorry for you. But at least I got waved payment for 2 months from my ISP.

Funny shit afterall :D

you seem to be delusional.

1.  The game where your behavior was grossly inappropriate was a teamer where we took 2 hours to play about 40 turns (it occurred several weeks).  You, crosby and a few teammates reported the win, had razed a couple cities.  But RBG had dropped almost 9x and several other players came and went.  You spent all game laughing and screaming about how you are going to win and we all should have scrapped in the earlier turns.  It was beyond childish and the biggest waste of my time of any game (win or lose); because it was 2 hours of unplayable nonsense.

2.  Last night you screwed us all around yet again.  You did not drop from the game last night.  You failed to show up for a reload.  You just left and joined Ladder Teamer - TBS.  You did not attempt to reload.  But somehow you were able to join TBS's game with no problem.  Funny how you sit in the lobby screaming "OH I HAVE ISP PROBLEMS" as you sit in the staging room for a new ladder game.  I'm sure SirPartyMan and others can attest to the fact that you joined and launched w/ them.  And Ronster, Mustapha and several others from our reload can vouch for the fact that you never showed.

THIS IS AN INDISPUTABLE FACT.  1.  You never dropped or exhibited any problems.  2.  You failed to show for reload  3.  You claim ISP problems but you immediately go join Ladder Teamer TBS and launch w/ no problems.    Yet a 2nd time, where your asshole-behavior is damaging to the league and game playability.

so fuck yourself.  seriously.  hours of wasting my time becuz its "expedient" for you.

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1385/goodgame2.jpg

here is the screenshot of the players.  (I appear twice, as i loaded it myself under yeeeps name).  I am reporting all who failed to show for reload and forced a scrap, especially you SIN.

And SIN immediately joining another game w/o showing for reload can be verified by an admin - SirPartyMan.

And we'll see whether admins care, but frankly we need more american hours admins to deal with a surge of childish behavior.

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2009, 04:15:12 PM »
ppl overreacting
This shit show me one thing,u guys are fucking game freacks,why?
check the german guy going crazy on youtube.

I mean a normal dude can wait 10 min for a dude to reconennect when the game take 4h on avrege.
he sit calm or do smth cose he know civ is not the only thing he can do.

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2009, 04:18:01 PM »
weak, If u have something to say about me dropping in that 2 games say it to my face dude. I told you that my ISP decided to shut down my net for 6 hours 1st (1st game) and then when it got back on line decided to switch it on and of every 15 min... do you think I dropped on purpose? Dude I wanted badly to go back to both games as they were easy to win and certainly nothing was decided.

Have you seen me dropping like that before? Ill answer, I haven't seen myself either.

On top of that there are situations when GS is giving ppl "server disconnect" message and that happens like 2-3 times in a row despite the connection being stable and good. It happened to me it happened to other players. That is something u cannot control really its GS. Thats why u have 10 min to rejoin as that gives you time to establish if your connection is friged or its GS playing on games on you.

If you cannt understand that then sorry for you. But at least I got waved payment for 2 months from my ISP.

Funny shit afterall :D

you seem to be delusional.

1.  The game where your behavior was grossly inappropriate was a teamer where we took 2 hours to play about 40 turns (it occurred several weeks).  You, crosby and a few teammates reported the win, had razed a couple cities.  But RBG had dropped almost 9x and several other players came and went.  You spent all game laughing and screaming about how you are going to win and we all should have scrapped in the earlier turns.  It was beyond childish and the biggest waste of my time of any game (win or lose); because it was 2 hours of unplayable nonsense.

2.  Last night you screwed us all around yet again.  You did not drop from the game last night.  You failed to show up for a reload.  You just left and joined Ladder Teamer - TBS.  You did not attempt to reload.  But somehow you were able to join TBS's game with no problem.  Funny how you sit in the lobby screaming "OH I HAVE ISP PROBLEMS" as you sit in the staging room for a new ladder game.  I'm sure SirPartyMan and others can attest to the fact that you joined and launched w/ them.  And Ronster, Mustapha and several others from our reload can vouch for the fact that you never showed.

THIS IS AN INDISPUTABLE FACT.  1.  You never dropped or exhibited any problems.  2.  You failed to show for reload  3.  You claim ISP problems but you immediately go join Ladder Teamer TBS and launch w/ no problems.    Yet a 2nd time, where your asshole-behavior is damaging to the league and game playability.

so frig yourself.  seriously.  hours of wasting my time becuz its "expedient" for you.

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1385/goodgame2.jpg

here is the screenshot of the players.  (I appear twice, as i loaded it myself under yeeeps name).  I am reporting all who failed to show for reload and forced a scrap, especially you SIN.

And SIN immediately joining another game w/o showing for reload can be verified by an admin - SirPartyMan.

And we'll see whether admins care, but frankly we need more american hours admins to deal with a surge of childish behavior.


Dude the game with TBS... yes I joined as other players from the game you referring to were there too...like mustapha from your team for example...and then ask SPM... I dropped from that game 2 times having the every 15 minutes shut offs from my ISP and then they subbed me... dude what is laughable is that you judge not knowing shit...rofl. And btw... as far as I know when I returned to the lobby I was looking and asking what happened to the game. when I saw ppl on my buddy list in TBS teamer I joined there. And as far as I know you were the only one in the reload...so spare me pls... you so funny.

About the game with crosby... dude...game was slow and I said several times it should be scrapped a the beginning, you didn't want to so pls stop this bs dude.

I behave like i behave but I never force scraps...

Its funny how you judge what happened to my connection last night... maybe u shoud ask TBS or SPM first what happened to me in that game huh? for for...its better to write shit on forums is it... u are a tool really.

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2009, 04:41:04 PM »
It not about waiting 10 mins ... Some people never want to scrap even if a player has dropped for well over 10 mins.

In fact the main problem with the ladder is ... equal amount of time is spent in staging/waiting screen as is spent playing.  Everyone has been in a game where some one wants to reload for 40+ mins, especially when they are winning.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but too many games are too painful and it's very off putting for those that actually enjoy playing; could be a big reason for so many people knowing about the ladder but still not taking part.

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Re: New Rule Request - Maximum # of Drops
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2009, 05:03:12 PM »

Dude the game with TBS... yes I joined as other players from the game you referring to were there too...like mustapha from your team for example...and then ask SPM... I dropped from that game 2 times having the every 15 minutes shut offs from my ISP and then they subbed me... dude what is laughable is that you judge not knowing shit...rofl. And btw... as far as I know when I returned to the lobby I was looking and asking what happened to the game. when I saw ppl on my buddy list in TBS teamer I joined there. And as far as I know you were the only one in the reload...so spare me pls... you so funny.

About the game with crosby... dude...game was slow and I said several times it should be scrapped a the beginning, you didn't want to so pls stop this bs dude.


- you did not attempt to reload and were in the lobby knowing we were reloading.  you joined another game and other people complained about it.

- i subbed for you in the Ladder Teamer TBS game.  I know you left.  I also know you made no attempt to reload but joined another game.  How do you blame that on your ISP?

why not attempt to join reload instead of new teamer then?  cuz you see a new game w/ ur friends... great.

- i was willing to scrap the game w/ crosby and you are reinventing facts.  other people refuse to scrap, and when you raze a city and it seems like things r going your way, suddenly you change your opinion.  i was willing to scrap due to lack of playability (win or lose).  i was consistent.  you were not.  you change your opinion based on you suddenly winning and "you guys should have scrap earlier".  it is childish.
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