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Offline Kingween

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Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« on: October 20, 2009, 11:57:16 AM »




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Hiya, I have a itsy problem, if someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong, I would really appreciate it. My problem is...my civs are very poor. It may be because I always used to play civ with Beth and Vicky of England, but now I've branced out. Or it may be because I'm focusing more on military. I thought it was the maintence costs of my expansion addiction killing my treasury, but I've worked on that and I'm still broke ass poor.

Here's how it usually goes down...my Civ is ahead/equal at research, I have a bunch of hammers I can build things insta-fast, I have a bunch of cottages, I have the resources and I have a massive army (swordmen era). My massive army creeps towards the enemy like ninjas. When they arrive at the borders, WAR! The enemy is outnumbered! He doesnt stand a chance! ahahaha... wait..whats this? Units on strike? WHOLE ARMY DISBANDS F*ck.

Is my army too large? Should I wait to build offence till I have markets, groceries, banks?  I try pilliaging to prevent strke, but its never enough. If you know what I can do differently to stop the poverty please let me know, I don't think there is anything more frustrating then watching your entire military and workforce disapear.

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« Last Edit: October 20, 2009, 12:16:05 PM by Kingween »
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 12:38:47 PM »
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 12:39:45 PM »
You just don't have enough cottages, simple as that ... A well cottaged empire can support a massive number of units.

Also when you declare war and move your units into enemy territory , you have to start paying 'unit support' so the army becomes even more expensive.

There are a number of posts about cottages, but basically you cottage hard this allows you to have more cites, which equals more production and gold (eventually).

If I was you, I would start with this principle and once you understand the game a little better you can start playing around with specialists, wealth, buildings, etc.

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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 12:59:46 PM »
I have a bunch of cottages,

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  I build cottages. I build alot of cottages. It would be impossible to build more cottages. I manually control my workers.  Could it be anything else?


thank you for your replies.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2009, 01:00:10 PM by Kingween »
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 01:04:14 PM »
Then you need to work your cottages more, and turn them into Villages, instead of working so many mines.  And maybe lose the attitude, if you want to get help.
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 01:36:48 PM »
Your cottages are horribly worked if you "build a lot of cottages", so many that "it would be impossible to build more cottages" and still get on strike when moving in with a sword stack.
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 01:58:47 PM »
Another thing to consider, especially in multiplayer games, is that if you are truly moving a huge army, and you know money might be a problem when you leave your borders, turn your tech down 5-10 turns before you go on the attack and let your gold stack grow. This will mitigate losses until you take a city to replenish your coffers.

Also, I've never seen a whole army disband. You lose 1-2 units per turn when you're on strike, and if you're on strike, you should have 40-50 units at least.
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 02:08:47 PM »
What I do is what most players would like to do: I raze cities to support my army on the run :D

btt: Cottages are key, the earlier you work them, the better for you "late game" economy. Also, if you move out of your own borders you might want to consider reworking your tiles so that you only work cottages, no food, no mines.

Anyways, finding the right balance between commerce and military is quite hard and not many people know how to do it properly. I see so many players in my games that don't cottage at all until I ask them to do (turn 50 or so). Totally wrecks your play...

ed: something that hasn't been mentioned here is happyness... you don't have any problems with that? Can be a reason as well if you move out...
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 02:34:08 PM »
Speaker, I didn't realize I had an attitude... thats the problem with text, you can't tell a persons tone. In the future please read all of my posts in this thread with the tone of frustration and despair, the text blurred by tears. lol

Also it may be consider, not telling newbs to "lose the attitude" when all they are only trying to find the answer to their problems? It's a bit confrontational, and as new member, it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable now asking questions. I sincerly want to get better so that I can play with all of you guys and eventually play teams and not let whoever is on my team down.


Jobe: They may be horribly worked... I honestly don't even know what that means.
I'm a big nubcake. I used to just tell my workers to do stuff in the very begining, and then automate them. After that Villages and Towns just magically appeared. XD  But recently I've been manually controling them and I obviously doing something wrong, how do I work them?



TheBadSeed.  *facepalm* That makes sense. Thank you, I'll try that. ^_^  I am probably waiting to turn down my tech till it's too late, and yea I exaggerated the whole army doesnt go at once, but the further - I get the more goes, it starts as 1-2 but it seems like each turn the number that disbands grows, till I'm just standing there with my pants down. It's very frustrating, it makes me want to quit but that's not fair to the other players in the game. >.<

MiL0, lol awesome.
I'm building loads of cottages but it's becoming apparent that I'm may doing something wrong with them. >.> 
You think I should start destroying all farms and mines? Won't that hurt my cities? They're happy for the most part, they occationally get uppity but its easily remedied. I want to say they're unhappy when strike/disbandment happens but tbh I don't know, at that point I'm usually going oh sh*t and totally lose my cool. =(


Thank you everyone for taking the time to reply! So fast too! everytime I click post it tells me wait! there's a new post!, so cool. And I'm sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, but I'll remain stupid if I don't ask them. ya know?
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 02:46:22 PM »
Cottages grow to bigger sizes (thus producing more gold) when you work them. Working here means that a city uses the cottage as a tile. As long as you build cottages, but don´t work them in your city, they don´t grow. Working ungrown  cottages early over a more productive tile can look unappealing, but in the mid and long run it´s the key to success.

When you work a cottage with a city and hover over it with your mouse (when outside of the city); you see the amount of turns left till the cottage grows to the next size. The civilopedia (F12) tells you the exact intervals.

Btw, are you playing on fast or on normal game speed ? If you have plans on getting into mp, go for fast.
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2009, 03:11:40 PM »
I've been playing Civ games for years, but the more I read on this site, the more I realise that I haven't really been playing at all. :p

Thanks for clearifing that for me jobe. ^_^

I do play quick,  If only because I'm way too impatient to do the slower ones. I've also been practicing on monarch in SP, in MP it looks like most people do noble, should I practice on noble or stick to monarch or go to prince since I'm having trouble being a war machine on Monarch?

Okay... I'm going to do a practice game now and do everything you guys told me Hopefully I won't be poor! Wish me luck =)
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 03:19:22 PM »
Ohhh you are playing SP.  We usually play MP games on Noble level.  Yeah if you're playing SP, it's a bit more difficult to manage your economy on higher difficulty levels.
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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2009, 04:47:44 PM »
Just a couple more quick pointers:

- game difficulty level in mp is always Noble - doesn't really effect the game play because it's vs humans not ai, and all of our strategies are based on the assumption that Noble is being used for all game mechanisms like tech rate, pop growth, etc.

- the cottage thing has been banged into your head here but the key is to get them built and worked AS SOON AS POSSIBLE so that by the time you are raping and pillaging they are all town size.

- city micro-management can also help you more if you focus on what's really happening when you have a tile actively worked vs adding city specialist - if you're slow on tech add scientists, if it's the big cash problem add merchants, and each city should focus on what it can best capitalize on - ie - is it a commerce based city with tons of cottages? is it a hilly area with tons of hammers from mines? etc

- last thing I'll chirp about is: during game play, even in a cton/war game, ask questions in chat and you'll find many folks with gladly give you pointers - even while they're happily slaughtering your civ.   Enjoy!

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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 05:11:08 PM »
Everyone says cottages; which is correct.  But more importantly its how quickly you improve your cottage.  to optimize effectively; your workers should be improving the food next to teh city the same turn you PLANT your city.  Once it grows to pop 2; the second tile bieng worked should already have a cottage on it.  If you follow this basic principle; you will end your issues.

If you find yourself not able to follow the above principle; then you dont have enough workers. 

Its as simple as that.

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Re: Gold Plz! Why is my civ so poor?
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 05:28:10 PM »
Everyone says cottages; which is correct.  But more importantly its how quickly you improve your cottage.  to optimize effectively; your workers should be improving the food next to teh city the same turn you PLANT your city.  Once it grows to pop 2; the second tile bieng worked should already have a cottage on it.  If you follow this basic principle; you will end your issues.

If you find yourself not able to follow the above principle; then you dont have enough workers. 

Its as simple as that.

Exception being very fast expansion, where you often plant cities which don´t receive worker support from the start ;). As a rule of thumb  it conveys the concept though.
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