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Offline slickinfinity

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Some tech advice needed please
« on: September 13, 2009, 07:49:17 PM »
Hello, I am new here and have only played Civ4 a little while. I play mostly on noble/prince difficulty and have won a few games but I always run into technology problems latter on as AI's seem to get way farther ahead then me.
I can usually win by just running a caste system and having lots of work shops/forges/industrial complexes so I can build huge stacks. My tech however seems to really slow down later on around 1000 ad or so and I always build the Oracle and get metal casting with it early on and usually found budism. Almost every city I build has Libray/University/observatory and I usually have lots of big cities by that point to.

Does using specialists help? I havent ever tried tinkering with that much I dont understand how it works? I also usually use Mansa Musa/Ghandi/Justinian and ty for any advice.

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Re: Some tech advice needed please
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2009, 08:00:18 PM »
Do you use cottages?

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Re: Some tech advice needed please
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2009, 08:17:28 PM »
Tech Pottery early and build lots and lots of cottages. Basically every green tile without another ressource and many plains tiles. Go to 4 cities, cottage a lot, work those cottages, get a library in most or all of those cities, get them to pop 6-8 and you will have your tech. Of course don´t die during that process. Use slavery to produce units and other stuff. Don´t produce with production. Work cottages instead of mines on hill for example in order to grow the city and the cottage faster and then slave to produce. Of course in between modify the tiles you use to not overslave - but slave more then you probably ever did before till now. Usually working a cow and an iron for example is enough. If you want to build wonders, use more production of course.

You can tech with specialists - farming all instead of cottaging and using more specialists who each cost 2 food - and the with or without (best with) the civic Representation do lots of tech.

Average tech path would be getting agriculture/animal husbandry to work a food ressourcein teh capital, then bronzeworking/pottery, probably pottery first to be able to build cottages (and granaries) and slave and chop forests for more early production to hurry settlers and workers.
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Re: Some tech advice needed please
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2009, 04:28:20 AM »
I have always tried to maximize my workshops, I build cottages from time to time and have just started to learn to use civics to my advantage. Thank you for the advice though, I will try the cottage system and see how it works out and also am going to try a game where I use farms and will attempt to figure out the specialist system. I'll keep at it and hopefulyl will be able to beat monarch soon which I havn't yet.

SO basically build a whack of cottages even where I would usually put a mine and slave more stuff, I think I understand.

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Re: Some tech advice needed please
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 02:48:13 AM »
Ahhh secret of playing against the AI is that there is no such thing as too many cities. Once you learn how to play, the more cities the better.  Also I learned getting 2 food per city is good for a drawn out game.

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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 10:30:29 AM »
I have always tried to maximize my workshops, I build cottages from time to time and have just started to learn to use civics to my advantage. Thank you for the advice though, I will try the cottage system and see how it works out and also am going to try a game where I use farms and will attempt to figure out the specialist system. I'll keep at it and hopefulyl will be able to beat monarch soon which I havn't yet.

SO basically build a whack of cottages even where I would usually put a mine and slave more stuff, I think I understand.

Not quite. You still build a few mines to get some base production, on hills epecially. But key is to work food ressources and cottages on grassland (they produce 2 food and so uphold themselves) and then slave stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 02:08:20 AM »
I have always tried to maximize my workshops, I build cottages from time to time and have just started to learn to use civics to my advantage. Thank you for the advice though, I will try the cottage system and see how it works out and also am going to try a game where I use farms and will attempt to figure out the specialist system. I'll keep at it and hopefulyl will be able to beat monarch soon which I havn't yet.

SO basically build a whack of cottages even where I would usually put a mine and slave more stuff, I think I understand.

Use mines in cities that grow too large for slavery to be effective.  You can use slavery in all cities, and you won't need mines necessarily, but then you must keep the populations down so that it is more effective.  Keep in mind slavery uses less tiles per unit of production, too, so you can get more production out of the land with slavery than mines ever could.
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Re: Some tech advice needed please
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2009, 03:46:51 AM »
Thank you for all the tips everyone, really helpfull stuff that making my current game alot better. I only get a little time each week to play now so games last me a while lol. I am currently playing as mansa musa on monarch, continents map against 5 other civs in epic and am doing really well tech wise.

Its now 1800 n somethin and I got infantry already and combustion which I love to build big navy's. I am 3rd in overall points or whatever those numbers on the side are lol but I got a decent chunk of land and a nice army.

I think a part of it is the more cottages I built and the way I am learning to better use my civics. Cottages really do wonders when they grow so thank you all again and hopefully see if I can play online soon.

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Re: Some tech advice needed please
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 01:06:45 PM »
It sounds like you are taking the excellent advise provided by Jobe, Missladyluck, and others here to heart, and seeing the benefit of their experience.  Nice job!
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Re: Some tech advice needed please
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 02:12:10 AM »
Great advice!  One of the jokes learned learned long ago is that the AI :cheat:.  LOL  You may also notice they will spread out city placement more widely than a human player, so their score is heavily weighted on land area of the civ.  Because of this, they might not be able to reinforce cities as well as a human player who would try for the optimum functioning city (ie. food) with 3-4 tile spacing.  The more difficult playing levels handicap the human player.  Upkeep gets quite steep.

The wonderful thing about civ is that it has so many layers of complexities to master.  I've been playing it for five years now and am not bored yet.


 

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