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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2009, 06:16:00 PM »
Ok, so I would start ancient at 9 (RUS at 10) PM and play it for like 8-9 hours to finish it at 5-6 AM (6-7 for RUS).

Then try and get some sleep, frig family, friends, housework or anything else, play afternoon events or not, start classical at 6PM (RUS at 7); play it for like 6-7 hours, finish at 12-1 AM (1-2 AM for RUS); sleep 5-6 hours after I lost the previous night, wake up fresh and go to work.

Thank you Zoo for a very well thought schedule!

Starting ancient at 5 instead of 4 I don't mind, but making us play all night long just so you would get it in prime time is unacceptable ESPECIALLY because it takes a lot of players to do it!!!

I would repeat myself: DON'T ask us to play during the night cause you want to play at evening and not at morning! About your night games, maybe we should try and have an equal ammont of games that requires playing over the night.

So what I am hearing is it is ok for Us to play all night, you dont care that prime time for over 50% of the ladder is unused, and you dont want to play all night.  Why have 19 players in your clan if your only gonna use 6 of them for events. 

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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2009, 06:20:44 PM »
Ok, so I would start ancient at 9 (RUS at 10) PM and play it for like 8-9 hours to finish it at 5-6 AM (6-7 for RUS).

Then try and get some sleep, frig family, friends, housework or anything else, play afternoon events or not, start classical at 6PM (RUS at 7); play it for like 6-7 hours, finish at 12-1 AM (1-2 AM for RUS); sleep 5-6 hours after I lost the previous night, wake up fresh and go to work.

Thank you Zoo for a very well thought schedule!

Starting ancient at 5 instead of 4 I don't mind, but making us play all night long just so you would get it in prime time is unacceptable ESPECIALLY because it takes a lot of players to do it!!!

I would repeat myself: DON'T ask us to play during the night cause you want to play at evening and not at morning! About your night games, maybe we should try and have an equal ammont of games that requires playing over the night.

So what I am hearing is it is ok for Us to play all night, you dont care that prime time for over 50% of the ladder is unused, and you dont want to play all night.  Why have 19 players in your clan if your only gonna use 6 of them for events. 

Read again noob. I said it's ok for Americans to play during the morning, not at night. But you'd rather have us playing at night so you can play in the afternoon, cause you fucking hate to get up early to play in the morning!!!!

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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2009, 06:46:13 PM »
Ok, so I would start ancient at 9 (RUS at 10) PM and play it for like 8-9 hours to finish it at 5-6 AM (6-7 for RUS).

Then try and get some sleep, frig family, friends, housework or anything else, play afternoon events or not, start classical at 6PM (RUS at 7); play it for like 6-7 hours, finish at 12-1 AM (1-2 AM for RUS); sleep 5-6 hours after I lost the previous night, wake up fresh and go to work.

Thank you Zoo for a very well thought schedule!

Starting ancient at 5 instead of 4 I don't mind, but making us play all night long just so you would get it in prime time is unacceptable ESPECIALLY because it takes a lot of players to do it!!!

I would repeat myself: DON'T ask us to play during the night cause you want to play at evening and not at morning! About your night games, maybe we should try and have an equal ammont of games that requires playing over the night.

So what I am hearing is it is ok for Us to play all night, you dont care that prime time for over 50% of the ladder is unused, and you dont want to play all night.  Why have 19 players in your clan if your only gonna use 6 of them for events. 

Read again noob. I said it's ok for Americans to play during the morning, not at night. But you'd rather have us playing at night so you can play in the afternoon, cause you friging hate to get up early to play in the morning!!!!

Thats the best you can do is call me names, and ask me to read your post again.  Come on dec, your smarter than that.  Try again.

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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2009, 06:59:21 PM »
Decebal has a valid point about the times. And prime time for ladder or clan population 2/3 of ladder population is european based, 3/4 of clan population is european based. So european evening is THE primetime for ladder.

However in my view we should not build the CCC to suit the majority only.

Still biggest concern is to have events spread out enough so the least amount of players is required at any given time, and we have some event running basically all the time, as possible.

I think the current schedule acomplishes all these quite well. There are events geared for the North American minority times, a lot more than their proportional share of the ladder or clan population is, and the overall schedule is built to acommodate for this large minority aswell.

I have always suggested rotating the big events around the timeslots is one of the best ways to make sure none gets their favourite events their favourite times always, and none gets them at the worst times always. This seems to be the biggest concern here, not the event times them selves.

As for the 5v5 event, moving it later much later would indeed make it unplayable for european clans, as it would stretch too far into the night, as an event that requires a lot of players. You would then have for european players per Zoolanders suggestion, 2v2 random, 5v5 ancient and Ironman as events that run through the night. That is 8 simultanous nighttime players required, that is far too much.
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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2009, 08:11:02 PM »
Decebal has a valid point about the times. And prime time for ladder or clan population 2/3 of ladder population is european based, 3/4 of clan population is european based. So european evening is THE primetime for ladder.

However in my view we should not build the CCC to suit the majority only.

Still biggest concern is to have events spread out enough so the least amount of players is required at any given time, and we have some event running basically all the time, as possible.

I think the current schedule acomplishes all these quite well. There are events geared for the North American minority times, a lot more than their proportional share of the ladder or clan population is, and the overall schedule is built to acommodate for this large minority aswell.

I have always suggested rotating the big events around the timeslots is one of the best ways to make sure none gets their favourite events their favourite times always, and none gets them at the worst times always. This seems to be the biggest concern here, not the event times them selves.

As for the 5v5 event, moving it later much later would indeed make it unplayable for european clans, as it would stretch too far into the night, as an event that requires a lot of players. You would then have for european players per Zoolanders suggestion, 2v2 random, 5v5 ancient and Ironman as events that run through the night. That is 8 simultanous nighttime players required, that is far too much.

The ladder community is majority Pacific to Easter STD time zones.  I dont know why we are catering to a minority.  That is my point.

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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2009, 08:23:23 PM »
Europe Sucks! I used to like Europe until I discovered the CCC, now its all I can do to stop myself from blowing up the clock in switzerland, Big Bens Clock, that clock in Grenwich, amonst many others.

Why can't we all just be the same time in the world? I mean seriously now this is just silly. Europe can go back to the dark ages and live in the night and sweet little sexy NA can live in the daytime.

Please write your politicians, lets get this movemement started.
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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2009, 08:24:43 PM »
PPP
EU 12
Asia 2

XXX
EU 9
US 7

RUS
EU / Asia 20

SD2R
US / Canada 13
Asia 2
EU 2

NBK
US 4
EU / Asia 7

FLY
EU 10
US 1
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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2009, 08:30:31 PM »
Europe Sucks! I used to like Europe until I discovered the CCC, now its all I can do to stop myself from blowing up the clock in switzerland, Big Bens Clock, that clock in Grenwich, amonst many others.

Why can't we all just be the same time in the world? I mean seriously now this is just silly. Europe can go back to the dark ages and live in the night and sweet little sexy NA can live in the daytime.

Please write your politicians, lets get this movemement started.

I know it's Marr, and i'm not supposed to take him seriously, but I agree. WTF do I care what the clock says when the sun comes up? Who needs daylight savings time too? All a good farmer needs is a noisy cock.

Although Marr, you should know standard time was developed by Sir Sandford Fleming, a Canadian. A Scottish Canadian at that, which I beleive you are.

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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2009, 08:54:09 PM »
PPP
EU 12
Asia 2

XXX
EU 9
US 7

RUS
EU / Asia 20

SD2R
US / Canada 13
Asia 2
EU 2

NBK
US 4
EU / Asia 7

FLY
EU 10
US 1

We really only have 6 clans in the CCC ?
And maybe CCC events times are linked to americans not playing much in the CCC, you can always read numbers the way you want :)


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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2009, 09:23:48 PM »
To answer your question I will put it some other way ... I would have loved to play medi for PPP, but I can't. And it's not because there are other three players who win the event most of the times ...

Some events are during the night and only a few can play them. But the majority of the events are designed so most of the people can play it, which is afternoon-evening for EU and morning-afternoon for US. Your problem is you don't get to play in the prime time, mine is I cannot play during the night.

Which one is a bigger problem, in your oppinion?

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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2009, 09:35:11 PM »
All I am asking is to make a Saturday evening teamer event for the US players. I just get frustrated not having a event starting between 7-9 pm US est on Saturday. I understand it the time would be very difficult for the Europeans but it certainly would help the schedule for US players. I really don't think we should care about overlapping too much as long as the events start on time and the GM mod is used properly.
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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2009, 09:45:51 PM »
Ok, so I would start ancient at 9 (RUS at 10) PM and play it for like 8-9 hours to finish it at 5-6 AM (6-7 for RUS).

Then try and get some sleep, frig family, friends, housework or anything else, play afternoon events or not, start classical at 6PM (RUS at 7); play it for like 6-7 hours, finish at 12-1 AM (1-2 AM for RUS); sleep 5-6 hours after I lost the previous night, wake up fresh and go to work.

Thank you Zoo for a very well thought schedule!

Starting ancient at 5 instead of 4 I don't mind, but making us play all night long just so you would get it in prime time is unacceptable ESPECIALLY because it takes a lot of players to do it!!!

I would repeat myself: DON'T ask us to play during the night cause you want to play at evening and not at morning! About your night games, maybe we should try and have an equal ammont of games that requires playing over the night.

Man I wrote my first response pretty nasty, but I can resist saying it....barely.  What you are complaining about decebal is already happening for North Americans.  Its apparent EU's are too selfish and not willing enough to share the burdens of the ccc times. 

Maybe changing the time of anc to 10 am for North America, 5 pm for EU's, would work.  The solution to the problem may not have been the best one before but thats because I had the mindset to swap with current times.  The time slot already exists on Sunday why doesnt it on Saturday?  Those 2 hours really would make a difference. 

There is even another solutions since the EU's are so big and tough telling North Americans to stop crying about waking up early.  Why not move the Midnight times for us up an hour or 2 making it 5-6 am for you guys to wake up. 
« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 09:47:49 PM by zoolander757 »

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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2009, 10:36:36 PM »
I wouldn't mind that either. The only thing that bothered me was Ape asking for Europeans to play during night so he can play in the afternoon and not in the morning.

I would also agree that during mornings (that's evening there, right, late evening maybe) there are less events, except maybe the classical and we could fill that in. I don't mind waking up early on Saturday as well as on Sunday. But don't ask me to play during the night or I'm out of those CCC events. And when I'm talking about myself I am also talking about a large majority of hard working, family loving civ players who live in Europe.

Now it's 2 am here and I am dead tired.

« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 11:22:29 PM by [PPP]Decebal »

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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2009, 01:01:47 AM »
I wouldn't mind that either. The only thing that bothered me was Ape asking for Europeans to play during night so he can play in the afternoon and not in the morning.

I would also agree that during mornings (that's evening there, right, late evening maybe) there are less events, except maybe the classical and we could fill that in. I don't mind waking up early on Saturday as well as on Sunday. But don't ask me to play during the night or I'm out of those CCC events. And when I'm talking about myself I am also talking about a large majority of hard working, family loving civ players who live in Europe.

Now it's 2 am here and I am dead tired.



Dec, perhaps it is the language barrier here, but I can repeat it again.  It is simple... You ready?  Is a simple concept.  I am not saying anything about another other event time just this.  Are you paying attention.

There is a PRIME time for North/South American playing time.  It is the time when the most of us can be on line at one time.  That time is early afternoon, early evening Saturday.  That time right now does not have much interesting scheduled.  This is the very best time for us the entire weekend, and it is severely under utilized.  I am not complaining about any other time slot.  I dont mind the middle of the night stuff, early morning stuff.  Even Friday afternoon stuff is ok with me.  So please stay on topic.  Take your riddilin if you need to.  Focus on the big target.

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Re: CCC scheduling
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2009, 01:37:01 AM »
ROFL

Ah but seriously, how is this hard to understand? How are others not getting this?
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