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Offline Ibrahim

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2009, 10:16:46 PM »
Obviously, no one knows what sort of player you are with a 0-0 record, and only one game showing up in your past 10 (I guess you reset your stats?).

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CTON: Final Standings - 1. Dodgey1 (112); 2. horde (423); 3. Slyfer (184); 4. Ibrahim (349).

Can you really blame people for not being willing to take a chance that you are not totally new?  I suggest you prove your mettle in some CTONs, Duels, and small games (2v2, 3v3, etc.) first, and establish a decent record.  Then you will be let into bigger team games.

Well, you was this game? Then how you can know if i played well or bad?
Otherwise, why only 1 result could say any?

This game i needed leave before end, when i leave, i was first in land, pop and soldier. But this not is nothing.

Moineau, look the kind of player this comment . Many hard join this community. Prolly i will play only with my friends Brasileiros, cause here i am welcome,  whether it be good or not.

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2009, 10:47:30 PM »
Ibrahim, NOONE say u bad, NOONE say u GOOD. u get it?

we say, WE DONT KNOW how good or bad u are.

Maybe u the best player ever or maybe u build monument and 3 scouts first in cap.

WE DONT KNOW.

we suggest u play a FEW ctons or 1v1 before u play a teamer. thats all.

when u dont want to do this i have 2 words for u, starting with f and u.

otherwise your welcome to the league.

easy enough?

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2009, 11:06:03 PM »
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Offline Ibrahim

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2009, 02:31:20 AM »
Nemesis666, i'm not interested in knowing what other players think about how good i could be. I am just complaining that was kicked without even asking.

The reason to be writing here is just to express the disappointment I got for this community civ4players.

   
I think this community should change the conduct.

Other Brasileiros players tried to play here and disappointment. We have community brasileiros players, but with this kind of reception, they will not.

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2009, 03:29:25 AM »
Nemesis666, i'm not interested in knowing what other players think about how good i could be. I am just complaining that was kicked without even asking.
And the game host who kicked you is not interested in knowing how good you think you are.  We have seen too many new ladder players in the nearly 4 years of CIV4 say they are good, and then, as Neme wrote, go Monument-Scout-Scout and then die to a warrior.  So you'll have to forgive the ladder players for being skeptical.  As they say, the proof is in the pudding.  If you are good, prove it.  If you are too thin skinned to stick around after being kicked a few times from staging, you probably wouldn't last here anyways.
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Offline G4S

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2009, 02:59:47 AM »
yea go play some ctons. what a joke. man can you ever learn alot when the so called elite players team up on you just to kill you for really no reason. wasn't attacking either, wasn't in the lead. Was just trying to learn the game as to become a better player. But apparently that is not what the "older" members want. They don't want a player to learn to become a better player as I guess it might threaten their so called rep. God forbid anyone do that. Heaven help us if the new players start learning something and start beating the "elite". Well good luck running a league like this and I hope you all have a great time when civ mp dies do to people not being interested in a league full of ego driven jerks.

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2009, 03:08:48 AM »
yea go play some ctons. what a joke. man can you ever learn alot when the so called elite players team up on you just to kill you for really no reason. wasn't attacking either, wasn't in the lead. Was just trying to learn the game as to become a better player. But apparently that is not what the "older" members want. They don't want a player to learn to become a better player as I guess it might threaten their so called rep. God forbid anyone do that. Heaven help us if the new players start learning something and start beating the "elite". Well good luck running a league like this and I hope you all have a great time when civ mp dies do to people not being interested in a league full of ego driven jerks.
Defending is a part of the game. Surely you could learn a bit about how to do that?  Sorry but killing your neighbor in a CTONis not a mean or rude thing to do.  It's how you win.  Just because two players attacked you at the same time doesn't mean they were teaming up, just that they both wanted your land.

But seriously, when new players have an attitude like yours, is it really any wonder that you aren't treated well?  If you want to learn the game, seek out an experienced player and ask for tips or training sessions, or come on one of the various Teamspeak servers and listen.

There are many avenues to success, but complaining that you got killed in a CTON isn't one of them.
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Offline G4S

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2009, 05:13:01 AM »
One lol where did you get the idea it was just one. Try about every cton I played. I beleive 6 in total so far. And as to my attitude, not sure what kind of attitude you would be looking for. I joined this league on the beleif that I might learn more and that some of the others may be helpful. NOT. All ya get is noob this and noob that and what a jerk. My attitude was fine when I joined, eager to learn and willing to listen. But listening to insults and being told how great a player is because he can kill a new comer, has a tendancy to change anyones "Attitude".
Hate to give you an update on the current status of civ, but you can buy it here very cheaply, meaning the game is no longer on the top sellers list and they have had to reduce the price to get anyone to buy it. Paid all of 14 dollars for mine out of the bargain bin at Walmart. So the point is, is that the game itself is near dead, and when you do get one or two people that are actually willing to give it a try one would think you would wish to encourage them by helping them out and not by showing them how easily you can beat them.
Wooo hooo whoopeee you killed a brand new player. Man put that up on your stats lol.

Offline Civvy

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2009, 10:15:31 AM »
G4S, I dont agree with you either. Have you tried playing single player before jumping into an experienced multiplayer game? Have you watched the tutorial videos posted in the forum to help new players out? Have you emailed or contacted players in the lobby to ask for training sessions or simply answer some of your questions? Have you searched for a clan that is willing to let you join and teach you the game?

My guess is none of the above. I am not new to Civilization but am fairly new to BTS and the league. Did I post a sob story when I was called noob or died in a teamer? NO.

This league has many resources for improving your game play. You need to spend your time on improving your game rather than ranting on in the forum. You have to let your guard down...realize noob is just a word and accept the fact that during a game with a blazing timer may not the best time to ask for instruction because they are focused on the win.

I have found most players helpful and willing to teach newer players. You also need to realize that these elite players have been through the very exact same thing when they started out...difference is they have a thicker skin and were willing to spend the time learning the game.


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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2009, 03:31:47 PM »
rofl is funny how the same guy kerr always posts in this thread dont ya think?

dude if ya dont like it dont play it!


move along and play halo or civ rev or something hell maybe you will like playing evony with the master himself aka MrGameTheory

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2009, 03:45:52 PM »
if i were to host a game NOW, and i see both aka and ibrhim in the lobby; i would let aka join but not ibrah........

Ibrah u really need to chilout; smokee a J now and then.....and u will realise that the Greeks are stil Greek even when in Rome.

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2009, 07:26:09 PM »
One lol where did you get the idea it was just one. Try about every cton I played. I beleive 6 in total so far. And as to my attitude, not sure what kind of attitude you would be looking for. I joined this league on the beleif that I might learn more and that some of the others may be helpful. NOT. All ya get is noob this and noob that and what a jerk. My attitude was fine when I joined, eager to learn and willing to listen. But listening to insults and being told how great a player is because he can kill a new comer, has a tendancy to change anyones "Attitude".
Hate to give you an update on the current status of civ, but you can buy it here very cheaply, meaning the game is no longer on the top sellers list and they have had to reduce the price to get anyone to buy it. Paid all of 14 dollars for mine out of the bargain bin at Walmart. So the point is, is that the game itself is near dead, and when you do get one or two people that are actually willing to give it a try one would think you would wish to encourage them by helping them out and not by showing them how easily you can beat them.
Wooo hooo whoopeee you killed a brand new player. Man put that up on your stats lol.
Couple observations here:
First, some people in this game, and every online game talk shit and feel "superior" because of the game. Welcome to the internet. I try to make sure to point out what douchebags people are every time I get the chance when they start in. Doesn't always work.

Second, people might target you in a CTON because you're new. So what. You want your learning curve to go faster? There it is. You're playing with people who have spent years learning the tricks of the game, you can't expect that they will either be merciful because you're new, or that they wont take advantage of the fact that they have you outpowered. Ctons almost always go to points, killing your neighbor and taking his land gets you points.

Third, do you think your revelation about the price of the game is news? The game is 5 years old now. We all know it's long in the tooth, that certainly doesnt have any correlation with needing to treat you with kid gloves in a competitive situation. There isnt a "noob league" and a "pro league".. all are playing on the same league, and trying to win.

If you want to get better at the game, whining about how everyone's mean isnt the way to do it.
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Offline Tony[UYP]

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2009, 09:52:49 PM »
If you are so far behind in tech or power, the real lessons have already been missed – The only thing you can learn at that stage is how to attack/defend which this guy showed you!  You should be thanking him!

Mindlessly sitting in a CTON with a dire empire, is probably one of the least effective ways you can learn CIV.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2009, 09:58:54 PM by Tony[UYP] »

Offline Chuckle

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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2009, 06:14:48 AM »
I have only one thing to add:  Please rename this thread "I'm really disappointed IN THE civ community.

well one other thing: you may learn more from noob teamers than you can from CTONS, as at least some players have some idea of waht they are doing and you can watch them (instead of mindlessly playing ctons and learning nothing).  Also, "elite players" may join sometimes, and you can learn from them. 

I learned in noob teamers, then played some 2v2 ladder  then i learned more playing with NERO and polydeukes in noob teamers, and scotticus taught me that I should slave a worker (all new players hate to slave for some reason, its innate- we always think of it as bad (well except maybe players like jobe and spart, who probably started slaving right away without a thought).
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Re: I'm really disappointed of CIV community...
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2009, 03:00:24 PM »
Mindlessly sitting in a CTON with a dire empire, is probably one of the least effective ways you can learn CIV.

Back in the day, I would do this, but I'm not sure I would call it un-effective.  As some of my opponents were killing me in score and were miles ahead in tech, I asked myself the question, "why?"  If you mindlessly blame land, civ, traits, or luck, then of course it's not going to be a very effective outcome.  However, if you can take your beating and learn something from it, then you've accomplished something.

The biggest lesson I had to learn (which is different now I'm sure, as I learned the game mostly in MP when it first came out) is to cottage.  As Chucky pointed out, slaving is very important now ... if you're sitting in a CTON watching people's scores constantly go down as the turn goes by, that's likely what is happening!
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