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Elrad pick for league teamers
« on: March 24, 2009, 10:58:04 AM »
I know most of you just want a fast game and want to play the more games you can.

I know this proposition wont probably be fallowed but i make it anyway:

One problem on the league is "the noob integration".At moment you ask noobs to make ctons before starting teamers to not unbalance it.What i understand.Or you directly kick them just because you dont know them, without explanation, what is just stupid.

Anyway one thing that could be done to solve this problem would be to have a rule saying that teams are picked with the Elrad method.

Elrad method is simple.The 2 top skilled players are the 2 caps.No discussions about if it's fair or what, we dont care, the host just check civplayers ranking and design the captains.

Then the top captain make 2 teams with all the 8 players left (i assume it's a 5vs5 shit blabla) and then the second cap pick one of the team.Fast and balanced.

Firstly you'll have more balanced games and secondly you wont have escuse to bot noobs anymore.Indeed with that system anyone can play, teams will be balanced.

Forcing players to use a rule isnt a good solution i think but if most are agree with that, make it as a rule could be good.

That will probably be useless but well, i would have tried. :P

diurpaneus

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 11:12:25 AM »
This is fucking awesome :D

It definitely got me thinking ... as I will have to make balanced teams and both teams I wouldn't mind playing with against the opposing team.

Great idea ! :D
I will start applying it as soon as I get in the mood for a noob anc ss :D

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 11:36:01 AM »
If you want to go along this road, why not just say

Rank 1 4 5 8 9  V  Rank 2 3 6 7 10

Will be a bit more unbalanced sometimes, but on the other hand no
picking at all, just check ranks, set teams, and go go !


 
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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 11:37:09 AM »
Nah tamijo, problem is rank does not reflect skill, but is a rather poor approximation.

This is a good idea.  I'll use it.

diurpaneus

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 11:38:56 AM »
If you want to go along this road, why not just say

Rank 1 4 5 8 9  V  Rank 2 3 6 7 10

Will be a bit more unbalanced sometimes, but on the other hand no
picking at all, just check ranks, set teams, and go go !


 

That's cause you might end up with some high ranked OCC woumans and the other team with good experienced players who just happen to have a low skill level. Hell, you could even get stacked teams this way :D

And it takes more time to check everybody's ranks than to have one guy pick 2 teams and another guy pick one of the two teams.

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 11:41:37 AM »
Nah tamijo, problem is rank does not reflect skill, but is a rather poor approximation.

This is a good idea.  I'll use it.

Remove OCC-only and those who don´t play enough and tell me who is ranked very wrong currently - and I mean wrong in terms of 50-100 ranks, nto 10. :)
« Last Edit: March 24, 2009, 11:42:38 AM by jobe »
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diurpaneus

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2009, 11:45:27 AM »
Nah tamijo, problem is rank does not reflect skill, but is a rather poor approximation.

This is a good idea.  I'll use it.

Remove OCC-only and those who don´t play enough and tell me who is ranked very wrong currently - and I mean wrong in terms of 50-100 ranks, nto 10. :)

Let's not start again now how "poor" or "good" the aproximation is. If I remember correctly, jobe, you were the one advertising against resets/restarts. People can just reset their stats and suddenly they are 'wrongly" ranked.

On the other hand, if you only take into consideration the people who constantly play, I think the aproximation is decent enough.

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 11:45:36 AM »
Nah tamijo, problem is rank does not reflect skill, but is a rather poor approximation.

This is a good idea.  I'll use it.

Remove OCC-only and those who don´t play enough and tell me who is ranked very wrong currently - and I mean wrong in terms of 50-100 ranks, nto 10. :)

Not sure what you mean here.  Are you asking if the ranks are accurate within 50-100 spots or to point out the discrepancies for ranks 50-100?

diurpaneus

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2009, 11:52:13 AM »
Nah tamijo, problem is rank does not reflect skill, but is a rather poor approximation.

This is a good idea.  I'll use it.

Remove OCC-only and those who don´t play enough and tell me who is ranked very wrong currently - and I mean wrong in terms of 50-100 ranks, nto 10. :)

Not sure what you mean here.  Are you asking if the ranks are accurate within 50-100 spots or to point out the discrepancies for ranks 50-100?

He means the real rank is around 10 spots near the current system's ranking for those players. For example, I am ranked top 10 according to jobe, more or less and not 50th or 100th in the ladder.

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2009, 11:53:40 AM »
YoungDiva   
ReNero
kergonan
Vamius
lsdude
Tony[UYP]
Tezis
tigrage
[rus]grek
Strekoza
rehtnuG
[CC]AK
x-layer
Mewtha
FGR]Andrew-7k
table
elinsurrecto
LKT-Gummi
KA4OK
Civility
Moneykiller
Baise085
robbb
archibald
[PPP]Imhotep   
gitbliss   
Elite_Fighter   
[PPP]Quadrophenia   
Ridikulous   
josslyn12   
Grimarch   
[CC]Atena   
Linde   
ArmzHouse   
Annatar14   
onlysmiles   
Umnik
orange.emperor   
Crusader-KK-CN   
Caesar1   
muyu   
GazpromGB   
Temujin_le_Grand   
danelectro   
knightlc1987   
gunsnroses   
goodluckchuck   
LKT_Stilgar   
swind007   
brucebruce   
my_dynamite

Ok jobe here is 50-100.  You look at this list and tell me its accurate.

Grek better than civility, gummi, temujin, brucebruce. danelectro?
Dan worse than cc AK, atena and x-layer?

You've got to be kidding me.  If you believe this is ranking i'd cap v you any day of the week.  You pick any name and you can be shown how disorganized it is.  Hell, not to toot my own horn, but i'm not even in the top 50-100 names here, how accurate is that?

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2009, 11:55:40 AM »
as far as I Remember this is how teamers were done 3 years ago dunno why it changed but unless the whole league stats are reset I cant see how you cant determine who the 2 captains are ???

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2009, 12:13:33 PM »
I repeat - plesae read my post again.

Remove those people that don´t play enough, which is half of your list on first sight. Remove OCC-only/mostly. Also post ranks, cause I have no idea what your wild list of names means.
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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2009, 12:21:55 PM »
Well, whatever. I think Moineau´s idea is good, let´s just keep it at that. I don´t want to discuss individual skill of people in the forums...
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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2009, 01:22:00 PM »
Was not trying to say it would be fair, was just saying it would be easy fast
and couldent be worse than shuffle.

Picking as Moin says is the best thing, but it is slow, especialy if people starts leaving during the process, wait for new repick ect ect.

« Last Edit: March 24, 2009, 01:31:21 PM by tamijo »
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Moineau

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Re: Elrad pick for league teamers
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2009, 01:33:24 PM »
Well for used it many years on civ3, i assure you it's fast.

Host : ok guy 1 and guy 2 you cap, guy 1 make team
Guy1 : ok sec
Guy 1 : man, girl, zoo and beast team 1
Guy2 : i pick the team 2

End.

Fast.

 

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